In this episode of The Relational Podcast, host Rachel Sinha is joined by David Jay, author of ‘Relationality: How Moving from Transactional to Transformational Relationships Can Reshape Our Lonely World.’ The discussion explores the transformative power of deep listening and meaningful relationships in addressing societal crises. David shares his journey from founding asexuality.org to advocating for relational ecosystems in movements and workplaces. Key concepts discussed include relational invisibility, the impact of personal storytelling, and the importance of creating environments where relationships can thrive. David emphasizes releasing control to allow relationships to evolve naturally and offers insights into how relational approaches can solve complex problems more effectively than top-down strategies.

00:00 Introduction to the Relational Podcast

00:47 Welcoming David Jay

01:56 David Jay’s Journey and Work

05:41 Defining Relationality

08:55 Creating Relational Environments

12:32 Relational Systems and Social Movements

16:30 Challenges and Skepticism

21:10 Practical Advice for Building Relationships

24:47 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

A big shout-out to the Wasan community for bringing us together – especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle. We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation.Thank you for tuning in!

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Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/

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